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		<title>By: Flymarines</title>
		<link>http://nextnavy.com/prompt-global-strike-will-transform-u-s-naval-power/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Flymarines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Hooper,

I just found your blog by reading your Olympia article in Proceedings. Great article, by the way, and I enjoy the site. Thanks!</description>
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<p>I just found your blog by reading your Olympia article in Proceedings. Great article, by the way, and I enjoy the site. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Blacktail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blacktail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discussions of the technical practicality of an ICBM tipped with a conventional warhead aside, nobody seems to have considered the possibility of nuclear retaliation --- if (read as, &quot;when&quot;) a future hostile with nuclear-tipped ICBMs detects a &quot;Prompt Global Strike&quot; launch, do you REALLY think they&#039;ll &quot;wait and see&quot; what the missile&#039;s trajectory is? Recall that during the Cold War, nuclear attacks were almost initiated by meteor impacts and computer glitches.

Or maybe we&#039;ll tell every ICBM-using power (to include Iran and North Korea) about the attack in advance, and they&#039;ll pass a warning onto the target, giving them AT LEAST a 30-minute warning? Recall that Osama Bin Laden missed a Tomahawk-plastering by about 30 minutes in Sudan.

Of course, if the enemy has ICBMs, we can take them all out in a jiffy with PGS!... right? Wrong.
ICBMs can be MOBILE, like China&#039;s DF-31; http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/df-31.htm
Recall that despite the use of U-2 and SR-71 spyplanes, and dozens of spy satellites, not a single kill against a Mobile Scud launcher was ever confirmed, and only one launch out of more than 100 was ever witnessed (and the vehicle that fired it was seen again!);
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj98/fal98/hammond.html

And how about the 300 bombs that cost $4 Billion, which we threw at Serbia in 1999, in an attempt to decimate their tanks and artillery pieces? We got 14 of 1300+, along with just 560 of Serbia&#039;s 140000 troops, after FOUR MONTHS of bombing. 

What the survival of 100 untouched-by-air Scud Launchers and 1300 untouched-by-air tanks and artillery pieces attests to is that continuously-mobile and/or well-camouflaged targets are untouchable by airpower, and a missile blindly launched from the other side of the planet CAN&#039;T do any better. If a potential target has them, all a PGS strike will accomplish is a retaliation against the US.

There&#039;s simply no point in PGS.

Lastly, if our target has Mobile ICBM Launchers, missing even ONE in our &quot;prompt global strike&quot; could mean a missile on our doorstep. Tor those of you who&#039;ve been frothing at the mouth at the thought of having PGS --- and thus have obviously forgotten what a &lt;b&gt;Nuclear Warhead&lt;/b&gt; is --- here&#039;s a few hints of what the use of PGS invites to happen to us;
http://www.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-bomb.htm

http://www.gensuikin.org/english/photo.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr76hNngqts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYUSKWhb3sk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussions of the technical practicality of an ICBM tipped with a conventional warhead aside, nobody seems to have considered the possibility of nuclear retaliation &#8212; if (read as, &#8220;when&#8221;) a future hostile with nuclear-tipped ICBMs detects a &#8220;Prompt Global Strike&#8221; launch, do you REALLY think they&#8217;ll &#8220;wait and see&#8221; what the missile&#8217;s trajectory is? Recall that during the Cold War, nuclear attacks were almost initiated by meteor impacts and computer glitches.</p>
<p>Or maybe we&#8217;ll tell every ICBM-using power (to include Iran and North Korea) about the attack in advance, and they&#8217;ll pass a warning onto the target, giving them AT LEAST a 30-minute warning? Recall that Osama Bin Laden missed a Tomahawk-plastering by about 30 minutes in Sudan.</p>
<p>Of course, if the enemy has ICBMs, we can take them all out in a jiffy with PGS!&#8230; right? Wrong.<br />
ICBMs can be MOBILE, like China&#8217;s DF-31; <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/df-31.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/df-31.htm</a><br />
Recall that despite the use of U-2 and SR-71 spyplanes, and dozens of spy satellites, not a single kill against a Mobile Scud launcher was ever confirmed, and only one launch out of more than 100 was ever witnessed (and the vehicle that fired it was seen again!);<br />
<a href="http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj98/fal98/hammond.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj98/fal98/hammond.html</a></p>
<p>And how about the 300 bombs that cost $4 Billion, which we threw at Serbia in 1999, in an attempt to decimate their tanks and artillery pieces? We got 14 of 1300+, along with just 560 of Serbia&#8217;s 140000 troops, after FOUR MONTHS of bombing. </p>
<p>What the survival of 100 untouched-by-air Scud Launchers and 1300 untouched-by-air tanks and artillery pieces attests to is that continuously-mobile and/or well-camouflaged targets are untouchable by airpower, and a missile blindly launched from the other side of the planet CAN&#8217;T do any better. If a potential target has them, all a PGS strike will accomplish is a retaliation against the US.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s simply no point in PGS.</p>
<p>Lastly, if our target has Mobile ICBM Launchers, missing even ONE in our &#8220;prompt global strike&#8221; could mean a missile on our doorstep. Tor those of you who&#8217;ve been frothing at the mouth at the thought of having PGS &#8212; and thus have obviously forgotten what a <b>Nuclear Warhead</b> is &#8212; here&#8217;s a few hints of what the use of PGS invites to happen to us;<br />
<a href="http://www.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-bomb.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-bomb.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gensuikin.org/english/photo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gensuikin.org/english/photo.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr76hNngqts" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr76hNngqts</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYUSKWhb3sk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYUSKWhb3sk</a></p>
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		<title>By: G Lof</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Lof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seem a bit premature to talk about a weapon system that arn&#039;t pass the materials testing stage. What if this bright idea burns up when they can&#039;t find a material that can survive Mach-5+ that is cheap enought for an function weapon system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seem a bit premature to talk about a weapon system that arn&#8217;t pass the materials testing stage. What if this bright idea burns up when they can&#8217;t find a material that can survive Mach-5+ that is cheap enought for an function weapon system?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck58</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, I forgot about that - good one, Craig!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, I forgot about that &#8211; good one, Craig!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Hooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Hooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the LRASM (Long Range Anti-Ship Missile) is still in DARPA&#039;s clutches too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the LRASM (Long Range Anti-Ship Missile) is still in DARPA&#8217;s clutches too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck58</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, this is about adding options.

Sure, a 100-200 pound payload COULD be larger in terms of a more useful payload on target, but the key here is, FOR THIS PROJECT, it has to fit into a VLS cell.  So, can you get a larger warhead, and still keep to ~ hypersonic flight, and still fit into a VLS cell?

No?  What tradeoffs become acceptable?  In this case, 100-200 lb payload @ Mach 9 flight over roughly 2,000 NM, fittable into VLS.  That might be of some value.....

Alpha, VLS offensive punch?  I know the TASM is in the process of being re-worked into a sort-of latter-day TLAM [guessing conventional; SALT had something to say about TLAM-N].  What else am I forgetting, Comrade?  SLAM-ER?  I, too, am curious to see where this leads, but from my viewpoint, it&#039;s an option, and options are good things to have.  Even expensive ones :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, this is about adding options.</p>
<p>Sure, a 100-200 pound payload COULD be larger in terms of a more useful payload on target, but the key here is, FOR THIS PROJECT, it has to fit into a VLS cell.  So, can you get a larger warhead, and still keep to ~ hypersonic flight, and still fit into a VLS cell?</p>
<p>No?  What tradeoffs become acceptable?  In this case, 100-200 lb payload @ Mach 9 flight over roughly 2,000 NM, fittable into VLS.  That might be of some value&#8230;..</p>
<p>Alpha, VLS offensive punch?  I know the TASM is in the process of being re-worked into a sort-of latter-day TLAM [guessing conventional; SALT had something to say about TLAM-N].  What else am I forgetting, Comrade?  SLAM-ER?  I, too, am curious to see where this leads, but from my viewpoint, it&#8217;s an option, and options are good things to have.  Even expensive ones <img src='http://nextnavy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DPT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DPT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very, very interesting post - I have to admit that I have been something of a skeptic of PGS, but perhaps that was more due to its championing as a deterrent against nuclear attacks. Establishing PGS as simply an offensive weapon outside the nuclear calculus, however, is a bold idea. It definitely helps undercut the fatalism some people have about the ability of countries such as China or Iran to effectively implement A2/AD and end the era of power projection.

Of course, it might be more difficult for other countries to trust that a missile launched from  a VLS cell on a vessel they can&#039;t verify, like a submarine, isn&#039;t nuclear. But I imagine that using these weapons primarily from surface vessels would mitigate most of those concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very, very interesting post &#8211; I have to admit that I have been something of a skeptic of PGS, but perhaps that was more due to its championing as a deterrent against nuclear attacks. Establishing PGS as simply an offensive weapon outside the nuclear calculus, however, is a bold idea. It definitely helps undercut the fatalism some people have about the ability of countries such as China or Iran to effectively implement A2/AD and end the era of power projection.</p>
<p>Of course, it might be more difficult for other countries to trust that a missile launched from  a VLS cell on a vessel they can&#8217;t verify, like a submarine, isn&#8217;t nuclear. But I imagine that using these weapons primarily from surface vessels would mitigate most of those concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 02:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypersonics, Railguns, and Free-Electron lasers for point-defense. The 2020s Navy is going to be an interesting place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypersonics, Railguns, and Free-Electron lasers for point-defense. The 2020s Navy is going to be an interesting place.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Hooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Hooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, there&#039;s lots of interesting things in VLS.  For land attack a good portion of the &quot;offensive&quot; loadout is not exactly cutting-edge or PGS-appropriate. 

2,000 nm Covers just as much ground as the (larger payload) medium-range sub-launched missiles that a few folks have been tinkering with for PGS. Not as much as a Tactical Trident. Problem is that Congress won&#039;t fund &#039;em due to concerns over misinterpretation.  

2,000 nm from the sea offers plenty of global coverage. 

And 100-200 lb payload can do a lot--particularly to stationary installations. Then, you know, the payload doesn&#039;t necessarily have to be kinetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, there&#8217;s lots of interesting things in VLS.  For land attack a good portion of the &#8220;offensive&#8221; loadout is not exactly cutting-edge or PGS-appropriate. </p>
<p>2,000 nm Covers just as much ground as the (larger payload) medium-range sub-launched missiles that a few folks have been tinkering with for PGS. Not as much as a Tactical Trident. Problem is that Congress won&#8217;t fund &#8216;em due to concerns over misinterpretation.  </p>
<p>2,000 nm from the sea offers plenty of global coverage. </p>
<p>And 100-200 lb payload can do a lot&#8211;particularly to stationary installations. Then, you know, the payload doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to be kinetic!</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade Misfit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade Misfit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tracked back through the links and learned that ArcLight will be capable of delivering a 100-200lb payload.

So it will have the striking power of a single 8&quot; shell (or a 5&quot; EGRM)?  At the cost of how much per round, exactly?

Color me &quot;very skeptical&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tracked back through the links and learned that ArcLight will be capable of delivering a 100-200lb payload.</p>
<p>So it will have the striking power of a single 8&#8243; shell (or a 5&#8243; EGRM)?  At the cost of how much per round, exactly?</p>
<p>Color me &#8220;very skeptical&#8221;.</p>
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